OK I see the conspiracy theorists saying someone else had their phones but who else would know to try 112 which is the common emergency number for EU countries? Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. The guide had something to do with the girls disappearance. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. . Perhaps the truth will come out someday. They provide a live accounting of missing-persons cases. Notice how Juan has actively injected false information into the public investigation, including a picture of 4 people standing in a pond with heavily photo edited faces (one of them has their head moved off of the neck in a very obvious edit). Hi Mohaiminul, you mention some good questions. I agree with you. Unfortunately, this camera setting is not public knowledge, but the default mode is Continuous.. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. And why? Both of these photos were photoshopped! But the blue was also something I noticed. Even the cheap pair of sunglasses are in perfect condition. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. Cheers. I noticed this too. Ive just watched a video on YouTube.. An unusual one.. A psychic reading actually.. If you follow down from the two red objects, there appears to be something that looks almost like blocks or siding shingles. It needs to be stressed that while the AI upsampled image looks impressive, it cannot and does not recover any lost information. "Those flash floods made staging scenes or strategically placing items impossible.". The dog came back, but the young women didn't. Either way, itll be interesting to see. Even on my iPhone I could make it big enough to see odd things in the pic. I see orange spray paint markings on the base of the tree further in the cave to Kriss right. Many people in El Salvador permit their dogs to roam freely outside in the streets and forests. Think. Really sad story, whichever way you look. Several of the relatives and friends of those visitors to the Quintana Roo who went missing formed a group named "Truth, Memory, and Justice" in an attempt to . There are no public statistics. It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. Where did u see that picture ? It isnt a cave, somebody has shown in a youtube video that it us just a very deep path on the wrong side of the mountain with a sharp turn. Trust me, I prefer to take the easiest explanation too. The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. Hi, do you know when and where this book will be available? If someone died, you would certainly write, Body can be found at xyz.. Also I wish we new more details on the phones. It was taken on the Continental Divide exactly 14 minutes and 12 seconds after their photos at the Mirador. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. That said, tourists wear shorts and sandals because they are not used to the heat or aware of such social norms. I created this graphic and highlighted the unusual items that seemed peculiar to me: In this photo of what looks like a cave or overgrown ravine, there are numerous possible items that suggest this place had been visited by other people. There is definitely a face on that the post/tree to the right of Kris. They had more than enough evidence and leads to solve the case but they ignored so much of the evidence. Many cold cases have been solved years later. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. This girl was tortured before they killed her. I suspect the food may have been left with them when they were abandoned by drug traffickers (who initially abducted them on April 1st) after Kris was hurt crossing the monkey bridge. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. If someone can determine a gang affiliation for that image, it might be possible to determine where the traffickers were from. Thats from her palm. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. if both then was the other found in their room? This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. Youtube channel backpackercoach or backpackingcoach i think, has a video called is it a cave? where he shows a section of trail that looks much like that. Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. What I have not found is concrete evidence of where they went. Bizarre! The world may never know what happened to the pair, but speculation still runs wild. I dont think so. Thats what I see as well. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? The timeline could have been enhanced with this info. However having just seen a darkened and reddened photo (the one of the back of Kriss strawberry blonde hair) you can see, in the top left, a door frame at the bottom of which is a dark floor. Please support us we cant do it without you. You have a good eye! And there have been some other unsolved murders in the same area where the girls were. Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. Do u know if this particular spot was apart of the trail they went on? But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. Emilio Virola - 12 years in prison. This would cover natural causes and the rucksack contents being in perfect condition. If their experience was catastrophic that that happened shortly before 16:36 UNLESS both were incapacitated and sense only returned at 16:36. History is not a science but it can include some science. The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. This is speculation. Theres a lot more information needed to make conclusions. From 508 onward. But in the last year, several mass graves have been unearthed, revealing to the world a dark practice of human sacrifice which is thriving in the jungles of Panama. Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. And look at it from this point of view. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. Please note: Our team is committed to accuracy of information and respecting the privacy of those involved with this disappearance case. This is an excellent analysis. https://netherlandsnewslive.com/kris-and-lisanne-went-hiking-in-panama-but-never-left-the-jungle/151903/. The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. As well as lots of other things It shows her right arm more clearly and it looks as though there is something square where you would expect her right elbow to be strange. The limited number of attempts especially on the first day is very strange. Thats perplexing to me. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? Possibly ambushed and didnt have time? The theories Ive read seem too far-fetched to be believable. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. The lower orange being around the belly area. I dont know if this photo is before or after a photo where Kris appears to have mud on her legs and on her arm. They didnt take anything with them for more than 1 or 2 hours max journey. In any case, this doesnt give any insight as to why there are no photos taken from that day beyond the first stream crossing. Much information is second hand. And the police know who it is, but will not say anything. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). They maintained a great deal of secrecy and privacy and never officially published any information. Granted, other dangers certainly exist and thats why we can only speculate about what happened to them. One of them probably fell got hurt, a local found them said they would help and well they didnt help they killed them and dumped in River knowing the river would remove any evidence. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. A year later, two tourists following the same trail are robbed at gunpoint. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. Im curious to know if they had a camera why wouldnt they make a final message for family telling us and them what happened? Poverty, culture and crime in Latin America are different than poor nations in Asia and Africa. She turned around and they snapped a photo. What we do know is for 5 days after they disappeared, her phone was checked about a dozen times. Is this in dispute? Shes describing the things youve noticed on the pic!!!! The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. Our team is planning to go to Panama later this year (2021) to collect information involving the case. The timing of the photos is incorrect, the resolution of the photos was altered to remove detail (which is why the public only has poor quality photos) and sometimes the photos were different sizes/dimensions. Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. Fact. The backpack being found with all its contents including money and not even dirty let alone wet after weeks of constant rain-found a day after the area was checked. The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. Therefore we cannot conclude that a dog was even with them. Why did they not do that? Despite search teams, which included dogs and. But even when a phone is locked after thee attempts the screen says emergency calls only. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. Maybe one girl regained consciousness at night and took the pictures. Do you think this could be at all relevant? Most disappearance cases dont get such publicity, so you can imagine how much less effort goes into them. The 3 of them died shortly after being in contact with the girls. Lisanne or Kriss hair and head 4. the dried short (Kriss) 5. both fell but their belongings were intact, no cracks in the phone? The Taxi driver was found dead later so no idea how much of this could be confirmed. Thanks for your comment. Why werent those outgoing calls being completed? Here is what I see: I just would like to know if you see that as well? Hundreds! To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. There are over 30 fingerprints on the blue backpack which belongs to one of the girls, but they dont want to investigate the fingerprints. There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. There is no traces of them anywhere. I also live in a third-world country about which it was said that investigations were shut down, or botched, to protect the tourist industry. I can assure you that is nonsense. But they are hurt and they are lost. 3. Theres no evidence that animals scavenged the Holandesas., Panamanian IMELCF Forensic Anthropologist, This is from the Daily Beast interview with Jeremy Kryt titled: The Lost Girls, the Bones, and the Man in the Panama Morgue. Is it possible that there is a building or some sort of structure behind the vegetation? I find it odd that the young American girl was murdered not long after this not far away as with the taxi driver who was found depended likely murdered. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. And it seems to be leading to a dead-end. The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. A serious accident.immediategetting lost just building panic. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. If the dog was with them, we cannot know for how long, nor why the dog left the girls. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. Look for an ex-military man who may be the culprit. Apart from the fact if she was photoshopped in this picture, i.m.o. Her phone is dead. Highly probable. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Again, I stress that these kind of murder cases are frequently shut down by the media of the country at the direction of the government. In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. Totally agree, Alexis. I think the night photos were taken by individuals who found the device and were not familiar with the camera, perhaps never seeing a camera before. Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. More probable is that the picture was deleted. Minha Querida menina. I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. Personally, I believe that number one mentioned above is the most likely reason. I am assuming that the rock painting you refer to is the round orange patch on the right. Not everything is a complex conspiracy, people. Apparently this villager travelled abroad, adopted extremist Christian views, returned home and started a cult in his own village which resulted in human sacrifices of other locals. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? Any idea of the exact location where this picture is taken? Why are both her hands behind her back? If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. No accident. Watch Lost in the Wild Season 1 Episode 1. Also why did they go alone without a guide? All of it couldve just gone away.? Her hair is also too clean and shiny for someone who has been out in the jungle for 8 days. Is there somebody behind the insignia? the only strange element in this photo is the distance. If so, they may have wandered across the field looking for the original path back and got themselves well and truly lost. I believe that this case WILL be solved. Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. The women wanted to see as much of Boquete as possible,hiring a guide to showthem around on April 2, 2014. But in a country of just 300,000 people, how much tourism is too much? But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. All items were in one place at this point, and together the elements and biology dispersed them and kept some for the jungle. I dont appreciate the internet trolls who dump havoc on peoples insights. It looks like a turtle shell hanging on the right side of the picture (its further up). After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). ): https://ibb.co/nqy80hS 90% take place right here in the US in state parks. So, when locals look at you sideways as they glance, glare, or even stare at your shorts and sandals, do not be offended or surprised. I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. If so then those could tell some information. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. However, visitors are still a crucial part of the local economy and the reason the. (The photos where the sky is suddenly cloudy). Theres a lot of information in the photos but people are willfully blind to it for some reason. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. I was surprised to learn that. It is a suicide decision and they, experienced travellers, know that. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. Their families believed the women were still in the unrecovered plane wreckage, and as the search stretched on for days and then weeks, they pleaded with the U.S. government for help they said never came. A disturbing set of photographs are at the center of a mystery of the disappearance and death of two young women in Panama and local authorities are currently bewildered by a conspicuously missing photo file on their SD card. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. The point is that all of this case was poorly handled by the authorities. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. Where is YNW Melly? Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. Like you would get from being hit. Hi Jason, thanks for you comment. She clearly thinks shes found something amazing. I could be wrong, but until I see some compelling evidence to the contrary, Im sticking with Juans theory. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. Regarding the photos, I have no idea why they would be taking these, deleted some later and left this one, especially since the ribbed roofing structure is somewhat obvious. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. God only knows how many people theyve done this to in the last decade. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could.
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