Doyle 13. Whether you think indentured servitude and slavery are the same is a matter of semantics, but it was on no way even close to the chattel slavery faced by blacks. knew their origins. I am in no way minimizing the African slave part of history, it is through this history of the Irish to say we can relate and understand an awful part of human history. This answers a hell of a lot for me. Barbados has an enclave on the island, the descendants of Irish slaves who never integrated with others, they speak with a slight Irish accent but as a race they suffer from alcoholism and diabetes and inbreeding. Therefore, this is a moot point and if youve somehow drawn that conclusion on your own, it speaks more to your intellect and character than true facts. It was not until the late 18th century that physical traits alone was being shopped around as an identifier of race, and much later till that idea would even flirt with the consciousness of the mainstream. 3) their children and grandchildren were not automatically enslaved or indentured from birth and were free, 4) they were not forced to forget their history, culture religion during their agreement to be indentured. And not just black and Irish, but other races/groups as well. Unless you know more about your name I would assume it association with immigrant Scottish planters and settlers of Northern Ireland, but it could have been adopted by some of the natives. Dudley or Dudlly is my family name . Australian model and actor Julian MacMahon is one of the most famous MacMahons. Stewart is a very popular Irish surname. my mother in law was called Shanks, we are Irish from the north of Ireland. Not if the mother were a prostitute and father disappeared. Irish slaves. Another theory of the origin of the term "Black Irish" is that these people were descendants of Spanish traders who settled in Ireland and even descendants of the few Spanish sailors who were washed up on the west coast of Ireland after the disaster of the Spanish Armada of 1588. While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. I wish the writer had included some references. Protestant landholders? How would the Irish name get passed down, if the Irish parent was the mother. Their original homeland was Monaghan, where their surname is still the most common. The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . I will admit, some of this is said by a very very very small percentage of the real irish population worldwide, they see it as being weak !!!! I am a history teacher and Id like to provide my students with good primary and secondary sources. When did the Irish get declared human? They can reveal locations or even a familys trade, such as a fisherman, for example. Irish last names you may recognise from around the world are Murphy ( Murchadha in Gaelic) and Walsh (Breathnach in Gaelic). This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Judging history, or whole groups of people through myopic glasses is not only intellectually dishonest but harmful in the modern practice of superimposing everything over the wrongs of the past. People, do your google search before you believe nonsense. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window). Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. If black slavery came subsequent to Irish slavery, why do blacks still go on about their rights? On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. 8. Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satans highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. also England is a lot rougher place to live than Ireland the ira keep the drugs out of catholic communitys. If it were slavery, as the Africans suffered, it would have been called slavery. I enjoy being educated, there is so much to learn that I wish our young people were taught, so they would love instead of hating each other. Where are the runaway slave notices posted for Irish slaves (as there were for black slaves)? This must end with the entire group of humans~~or else look forward to the re-boot of the planet~~~so if there is not change~~~I well I guess I will see all of you in the next life-time~~~lyrics from Erykah Badu~~~, [] How Blacks have Irish LastNames []. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. and that has not changed. All the while the ruling class was laughing at us all. All the people who were desperately trying to find something or someone to debunk irish slavery never looked at his credentials lol ..Liam hogan again isnt a irish historian, he is a self taught librarian,yet he is on 20 some odd websites and 30 some odd blogs lol hahahaha like are u guys serious????? They entered into an indentured agreement, which was recorded (and can be viewed on many online resources) for a fixed period of time and were subject to the same laws as all subjects of the King. Everyone knows a mulatto slave is more than a pure irish slave or pure African slave!!!!!! Really good point. But animals of higher value are often treated better than less. After the Armada of 1588, Spanish soldiers married Irish women and integrated into society. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. American TV star Brooke Hogan and professional wrestler Hulk Hogan are two of the most well known Hogans. The name Cullen is best known from the fictional family of the Twilight book and film series. So you hate redneck irish americans? It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. Bear in mind black African slaves had the stigma of being likened to animals, mentally backwards and being treated as savage- Which was part of the propaganda system to justify black Africans being enslaved. Ive called for sources supporting the article although I am not entirely in disagreement with it, Ive provided a source on Irish indentured *slaves in this discussion that doesnt fit with your narrative of voluntary service. Famous OCarrolls include British archaeological illustrator, painter, and sculptor John Patrick OCarroll. 3. Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. THATS why many Irish treated blacks in America and its also why many blacks treated Irish badly. https://www.houseofnames.com/dudley-family-crest, Originally, this was a surname coming from Dudley in Worcestershire, England. William Downing and Philip Welch. This is a human issue, not a race one. But it seems that your fellow Irish forgot both about the atrocities done to them and working side by side with African slaves. At this point eyes are cast around for new slaves, from somewhere that isnt yet a taboo source. But there are many others who have suffered under slavery, the Irish as you mentioned here, also the Scottish, Jews (black, German, French..). This regard of history and overall attitude only serves to further perpetuate the divide between skin color and bigotry. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. Africans were *things*. Spreading these values will end modern slavery, and help us make the entire history of slavery a thing of the past. History is on the table not politics, but I fully embrace the author of the blog to provide sources in effort to clear up all the confusion thats been created. English actress, singer, and television personality Claire Sweeney is the most famous person with the surname Sweeney. Famous owners of the name include actresses Debby Ryan and Meg Ryan, and comedian Katherine Ryan. So when the Irish were sold off in the West Indies, Jamaica, America, Australia and these other countries. II, 1656-1662. There has been slavery of some form for as long as humans have been homosapiens. Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVhUQXElTE. Did they feel they had a moral obligation to not support slavery? i.e. January 1861, seven Southern slave states individually declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate. I have a very Irish last nameMurphy, enjoy and thanks for sharing Konnetta! The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) The Irish are ignorant beasts of the field!!!! Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S. This forced labour was in essence an extension of the English Poor Laws, e.g. So no, they werent only raped by the master but any children born of these rapes became the property of the plantation owners. 5,377 families had this name and they were mainly based in County Cork, Kerry, and neighbouring counties. The subject of Irish slavery is not spoken about too much. It's quite popular in Scotland. Why would you even mention those in the same breath? Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. They were INDENTURED SERVANTS as were the very first Africans brought to the colonies that became the USA which meant 1) they entered a voluntary agreement to exchange their time for passage to the USA or for some type of apprenticeship or training, 2) after a period of time their SERVICE ended usually about 7 years. Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. Okay, good cuz I was like, huh? Clearly this makes it a Black vs White issue. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. Truth is, there was and is a huge ethnic and national diversity in Africa, and between those groups some had conquered others. In fact, many of today's common Irish names have origins in Gaelic, Celtic, or Norse languages. Could the Irish in specific have something to do with what the most High is doing in (phisical) (black) Israel? Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. So incredibly well said and so true. Remember one thing and one thing only..irish slavery did happen in the Americas and in the West Indies! Some aspects of racism are religious others are cultural but in most cases have nothing to do with something as simple as skin color and are definitely not limited to Blacks. Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. Keir. It would be the same with people. One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. Example, the habitual practice of African slaves being thrown off ships in transit and subsequently drowned/murdered , so slave owners could claim insurance. Irish poet Patrick Kavanagh is one of the most famous people by the surname Kavanagh. Dont forget modern recorded history versus older nonrecorded history or minutely recorded history. Were Irish babies sold to another people as black babies were sold to white slave owners? Sure there is a difference, but servant is a perhaps a misnomer. Healy Hall. Nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. Now White people want to say Okay, no more racism, you keep what you have and Ill keep what I have after tilting the field in their favor for decades. The latter he did not. You cannot water down the mistreament of black slaves and the CONTINUED systematic/institutional oppression of black people. Excellent article, sadly but all true. The most famous OFarrell is actress Bernadette OFarrell. When the KKK did not get enough traction in the south in the early part of the 20th century they moved North and preyed upon the Irish and Catholic immigrant. Salem, Massachusetts. Often, female Blacks slaves were impregnated by their masters to create more slaves. Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? The Black Irish - what are the truths and what are the myths? Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? She was so angry, thats not what Jesus looks like, so I said how do you know,? Maybe because the African names were too hard to pronounce. I think slavery regardless of color is disgusting and shameful, but even more is to come out of slavery and help the oppressor with the same oppression that was previously placed upon you. By the time we reach the 1600s the non roman Europeans have been assimilated into a romanic style world where most are commonly white (although this seemed to exclude the irish who were treated very badly and if they werent forced into servitude died of starvation or spent their lives as serfs). None of this was forced, as that would have hurt productivity, rather than helped, and the incentive of a female slave having reduced work during pregnancy encouragement enough. One of the most famous Thompsons is actress Emma Thompson. The traditional image of Vikings is of pale-skinned blond-haired invaders but their description as "dark foreigners" may lead us to conclude that their memory in folklore does not necessarily reflect their physical description. Though we dont want that ugly past to be forgotten, rewritten or soften to make Whites feel better about them-selves, the issues we worry about are those we have to deal with currently. Heres a case for you to review (take your time): Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves: Law Case, Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves. One of the most famous OConnells is singer-songwriter Billie Eilish who was born Billie Eilish Pirate Baird OConnell. Early Origins of the Black family. There were NO WHITE OR IRISH SLAVES IN THE US. One of the most famous Nolans is film director Christopher Nolan. Television host Dermot OLeary is one of the most famous bearers of the name. Famous people with the surname OBrien include comedian Conan OBrien, actor Dylan OBrien, and guitarist Pat OBrien. Notable Hughes include American business magnate Howard Hughes, and poet and activist Langston Hughes. Obviously African-Americans had it worse if you look at it in a way where most of their race went into slavery.yes, their own people were involved in the slave trade..but again Im just stating facts!!!! This is an ignorant recitation of a much more complicated history than Chloe suggest. Origins of the Most Common Irish Surnames and First Names. Today some 6.7 million people live on the Emerald Isle. Or did the Irish enjoy being slaves and never ran away from their slave masters? 1) A good number of slave masters were Scotch-Irish. Quinn 20. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat. I know where mine came from. Rich in history and proud in its Celtic roots, the Irish identity is worn like a badge of honour. Walsh (35358) 4. Its meaning varies and such differences are contingent upon time and place. So, to put the record straight, find out below about the Black Irish. Smith is one of the most common surnames across the world with well known Smiths such as actor Will Smith, actress Maggie Smith, and singer-songwriter Patti Smith all having the popular Irish surname. To answer the question that is proposed in the headline, it was primarily due to Irish slave masters and testing the Y chromosome provides evidence of this. Black Name Meaning English and Scottish: chiefly from Middle English blak (e) 'black' (Old English blc blaca) a nickname given from the earliest times to a swarthy or dark-haired man. What is Black? It is possible that the term "Black Irish" may have referred to some of these immigrant groups as a way of distinguishing them from the "Gaels," the people of ultimately Celtic origin. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. American soccer player Brian Mullan is one of the most famous people with the surname Mullan. Baltimore was an english town, the pirates were directed to it by an Irishman (Hackett), and the english inhabitants were shipped off to North Africa. The Vikings bestowed upon themselves the title of the dark invaders or black foreigners. Maybe this should spoken more of, because Im sure I didnt learn this in my student years. With an understanding of the Norman invaders and their integration into Irish society, we can deduce that this is, in fact, where the term Black Irish spawned from. The Africans were considered less than apes, incapable of learning, and the forced inter-breeding with the Irish women was eventually made illegal because it was considered an abomination to force even the least among White women to copulate with an animal. This article is merely an attempt to connect whites to Deuteronomy within the KJV Bible. Who where these owners? When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right? Great article. Words are powerful, they are spells (we are spelling) the word black in middleages means pale. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. I was investigating the origin of my very Irish name FRAN MCCARTHY! Sure, later on, some were indeed indentured servants (not really that much different from common slaves) but in Orwells time vast majority were slaves. It became a first name in the nineteenth century, and was used in Ireland to anglicise Duald, Dubhdaleithe (black man of the two sides), and Dubhdara. According to reports from the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is the most popular last name in Ireland. They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." So it comes as no surprise that no matter where you go, you tend to run into classic Irish names. I would like to recommend Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn to anyone who is interested in this type of hidden history. So stupid its almost funny, but instead its depressing cuz its so ignorant and shows how gullible these liberal assholes are, just looking for someone elses cause to bear cuz they gotta help those poor, downtrodden folks recover their true histories, and file a lawsuit against the government so they can assimilate into modern society and buy organic and get a job in IT or in the arts or a good non-profit..fuck you. Her first husband was White and her second husband was Black. Again get creditable sources!!!!!!!! In Ireland, singer Daniel ODonnell is one of the most famous people with this surname. The Europeans did not enslave Africans, they did not have to, Africans were already enslaved (they were prisoners of war) by more powerful Africans. So I picked up those big fat ugly crayons .. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. Sons James Catholic bishop of Pirtland Maine Patrick Jesuit priest who made Georgetown University. Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. What yall ;need to figure out is why this history has been buried and who is gaining from that. He had several indentured servants. 9. African to African forced breeding was not even a thing, much less from another race. What Oliver Cromwell did in Ireland was a genocide. Anglo-Irish) were in Ireland. As far as the name changes it was probably due to pronunciations not so much of stripping the names, doubt the traders/owners cared either way, whatever would be easiest. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. Today black people are assimilated into western culture, et slavery hasnt ended. This was about 14% of all the recorded Blake's in USA. Blacks do not collectively own a patent on cruel slavery. Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. Please do not confuse the two. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. Keeping their Irish surnames would help to differentiate the two groups. If you look at it carefully enough, you will see how the Irish escaped their persecution and went into the hills to make their own way, and still do. Or, Is what happened to the Irish just a mere part of what happens to all, and to any of the different nations of men who are affected by the wicked works of the heathen? Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. Not all of them were slave owners, not all were wealthy or priviledged or educated. The mass exodus from Ireland has been a result of famine, war, and conflict throughout Irelands history. Ireland has rather bloody history like these regions of Africa. The theory that the "Black Irish" are descendants of any small foreign group that integrated with the Irish and survived is unlikely. The most prominent O'Conors were the Connacht clan of O'Conor . Learn more. Where can I learn more about Irish names? Should you be keen to learn more about Irish names, check out some of these articles: The 10 most popular Irish surnames worldwide, Top 100 Irish Surnames & Last Names (Family Names Ranked), Top 10 Irish surnames youll hear in America, The top 20 most common surnames in Dublin, The 10 Hardest to Pronounce Irish Surnames, 10 Irish surnames that are always mispronounced in America, Top 10 facts you never knew about Irish surnames, 5 common myths about Irish surnames, debunked, 10 actual surnames that would be unfortunate in Ireland, 100 popular Irish first names and their meanings: an A-Z list, 20 Most Popular Irish Gaelic Baby Names Today, Top 20 HOTTEST Irish Girl Names Right Now, Most popular Irish baby names boys and girls, The 10 hardest to pronounce Irish first names, Ranked, Top 10 Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce, 10 Irish First Names You Rarely Hear Anymore, Top 20 Irish Baby Boy Names Thatll Never Go Out of Style, How DNA kits can tell you how Irish you are. Indentured is a form of slavery. However, a whopping 50 to 80 million people around the globe are thought to share in Irish ancestry. The 1625 Proclamation gave the order for Irish political prisoners to be shipped off and sold to the plantation owners in the West Indies. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale. In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company. http://www.irishsurnames.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?name=dudley&capname=Dudley&letter=d. Disgusting hypocrites and totalitarians, thats what they are. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. There were Irish owners. The Irish were never slaves, they were indentured servants. Slavery is still happening today and not prevailing with just Blacks. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. Who were the black Irish? There are points of contention with this article dont get me wrong, Im debating the who suffered which is not really a secret except it seems in the white-washed Protestant nation that is the United States to which many Blacks seem to be connected with. And I would love to see references that prove that White Irish people were less expensive to purchase than African slaves. T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. There is a book called White Cargo. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. I am mixed with other things but my maiden name is McClure. 7. The intention of this was to divulge their cultural stance and tell of their intentions to bring force and darkness upon Ireland. Irish toponymic surnames, deriving from a place where the original name bearer once lived, are rare. As most of the slave owners were of Anglo-Celtic descent, these are the names that the African-Americans were saddled with. We shouldnt be in the business of a numbers game when it comes measuring ils with a much smaller indigenous culture (the native Gaelic Catholics) of Ireland with as compared to the West and Sub-Saharan African regions. Do you know where you Irish surname came from? Dingle is English but common in Ireland. why do so many people dismiss the truth about irish slave black and white people dismiss the truth. They owned the land in Ireland too where Catholic Irish worked on their lands. It doesnt matter how well you claim they were treated nor what advantage you say they had by the color of their skin. I have always found that a fascinating sociological subject, whether its worthy of study is doubtful. My grandmother was an indentured servant who came over here from Ireland to work with an English family later on my grandfather saw her or met her and decided to purchase her freedom from that English family so she so she was actually a slave / indentured servant herself, I was under the impressionthat the Irish came to America as indenture slaves. However, there have been many others who suffered in slavery. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. I think the more realistic story of how many Blacks got Irish last names is that there were rich Irish who owned slaves too. Ben Frankin was indentured for a time to his own cousin. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. We have to stop making up excuses for white slaveholders and the damage they inflicted onto their black captives, including the removal of our names and stripping us of even the knowledge of knowing where we are (specifically) from as the Irish, English, Spaniards, Scottish, etc. Irish slaves were still white. Dont hate, this is the game they play against us- the game of colours, divide by colour but I have yet to see a human coloured black or a human coloured white- there is no such thing. Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). who wants to admit that, its not something to be proud ofin fact irish people when they arrived as immigrants in the late 1800s ..after the irish slavery of the 1600s in New England and Virginia, South Carolina,etc.they were given guns to go fight a war right after they landed, literally!!!!! After the end of the atlantic slave trade ended in the early 19th century, breeding was encouraged, and more fertile women were preferred over non birthing prolific women. The O or preceding a second name means the grandson of or descendant of and is a common feat in Irish surnames. ? Irish slaves suffered as much as black people did so they married each other?? They dont even notice it (MEAN). Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. One of the most famous Johnstons is American actress Kristen Johnston.
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